ADT Pro Question.

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I have a ADT question. For some reason or another when ever I use ADT Pro ( Apple Side ) I am able to transfer disk images no problem , they turn into 140K images , but when I go to use them with Applewin the images do not boot? Heres the weird part , if I use the old ADT 1.20 program , images transfer just fine and they work in Applewin! I have the batch program that runs on my laptop which is windows 7 . Not sure if there is a setting issue with ADT Pro or not . My IIC+ is running at normal speed not accelerated . Both Laptop and IIC+ are at 19,200 baud rate settings . And I have the latest and greatest High speed usb adapter drivers installed.

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Patrick.

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Re: ADT Pro Question.

OK. So Apple -> PC -> Applewin isn't working. Right?

What happens if you do Apple -> PC and then PC -> Apple. A round trip. Do the images boot?

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Sorry no they do not , I have sent back the recently made 140k images to reconstruct to the apple and no go Shock( The weirdest thing! The older or first version of ADT seems to be the only one that works.

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Re: ADT Pro Question.

I've had no problem with ADT Pro 2.0 creating bootable Apple // and Apple /// diskettes. The only difference in your setup is that I'm coming from a Mac (well, OK, a Hackintosh). Perhaps it's a problem with the Windows client?

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Does a disk image from asimov work went sent through ADT to the Apple?

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I know these are all basic and pedestrian questions, but we're going to narrow it down. Starting at the top.

It will be helpful to know what sort of serial card you have in the apple. What kind of cable, the length?

Are you using default com settings on the PC.

What kind of serial/usb adapter?

Try setting client and server at 115,200 baud.

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Patrick reports (on Facebook) that this is sorted - some combination of using the correct server software (ADTPro vs. ADTWin), formatted floppies, coupled with his external 5-1/4" drive that he neglected to mention had a write-protect switch that was thrown...

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david__schmidt wrote:

Patrick reports (on Facebook) that this is sorted - some combination of using the correct server software (ADTPro vs. ADTWin), formatted floppies, coupled with his external 5-1/4" drive that he neglected to mention had a write-protect switch that was thrown...

Ahhh...Doh!

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Re: ADT Pro Question.

I made that same mistake once, using the wrong server/client combination..

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I made that same mistake once, using the wrong server/client combination..

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Keatah wrote:

I made that same mistake once, using the wrong server/client combination..

I come from a long tradition of backward compatibility being of paramount importance (i.e. mainframes). That's why every version of the ADTPro client will run on a 1977 Apple II with 64k of memory up to the last IIe produced in 1993.

And since my philosophy is that the client is harder for people to update than the server, the server will always serve an earlier client. That makes the server big and bloated, but hey, host memory is cheap. And ADTPro 2.0.0 in 2014 will still serve a DOS ADT client from 1995.

It's not impossible, but you have to be pretty clever to find yourself in an incompatible situation.

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IIRc it was a 1.3 server with 2.0 client.

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IIRC it was a 1.3 server with 2.0 client.

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Keatah wrote:

IIRc it was a 1.3 server with 2.0 client.

Yep, that would do it. The server is the most flexible since it has the most resources. The server knows its current protocol level plus all that came before it. The client only knows one thing - the protocol level that it itself is at right now. If the client gets ahead of the server, the server hasn't been taught yet what is new. Which isn't generally a problem at the protocol levle with minor release levels; that's what the first digit signifies.

The most disruptive change that has ever occurred was between release 1 and release 2 - so your combination of old server and new client would definitely be a bad one.

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I have got an Apple IIc and a Mac Classic. I can transfer disk images to real disks and vice versa using Mac ADT 1.20a, and Apple II ADT 1.20.

In order to do this I had to first set the speed on the Apple IIC to 4800 baud using the Utilities Disk.

Some disks which are copy protected or have errors cannot be transferred. You can get around this by de-protecting the disk and copying the files to a freshly formatted, clean disk. I use "Super Copy III" for this.

In the history of Apple II disks, some copy protected disks were issued which do not have obvious errors when you try to copy them. This was presumably done to fool you into thinking there was no copy protection, and that the disk had copied okay. Only when you got the disk home from your friend's house, would you find the disk would not boot!

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I use "Super Copy III" for this.

Where can I get this?

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I am currently experimenting with "A2Cloud" which runs on Raspberry Pi. I have repaired my old Apple II by swapping the chips around with those I had on a spare board. However, although the apple now resets and gives an Applesoft prompt, I can't type anything. I think the keyboard encoder chip needs replacing. This is part number MM4740-AAE which you can order from "Little Diode" (an online components supplier). I haven't ordered it it yet, because I am not sure that the encoder is faulty - it was all right before the Apple went wrong!

As I said in an earlier post, I used an Apple IIc and a Mac Classic to make disk images. I successfully made the 5.25 ADT disk, and I have made the 5.25 A2CLOUD disk. But now the Mac Classic has gone wrong. There are random squares on the screen. Logic board fault. Aaarhh. Classic has now been retired to the roof space, I will swap the logic board out at some stage. Anybody got any ideas as to the component which might have failed? Video steady as rock, rubbish on screen = logic board fault.

To cut a long story short, I cannot at present make a disk image. In order to do this, I need to get an RS232 to USB adaptor so I can connect the Apple IIc to the Pi or windows. I have got one on order, but it hasn't come yet!

My idea is to connect the Apple II with the dead keyboard to the IIc and use that as the keyboard, and run tests to see if there is any other problem. I have got a serial card for the Apple II, so that part is easy. It boots up okay, so I am thinking of putting a disk in which says "10 A$=CHR$(4): PRINT D$"IN#2". But I can't try it yet, because I need a gender changer for the connecting lead to the IIc. Will pick one up when I am in town.

When I have got the show on the road, I will be able to upload the file.

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I also have the Pi card. As far as I know, it comes with a special version of ADT-PRO on the 5.25 disk and it works through the Ethernet port on the Raspberry Pi as though you have a uthernet card.

I have not tried this but then again, I do have a USB to RS-232 converter that the software on the pi can see and automatically load drivers for. I am not exactly familiar with Linux, in fact, I completely suck at it. In fact, I don't even know why you need this adapter and what it does on this configuration.

Another one of these things I have and have no idea how to use it.

I also have a real uthernet card on the same computer so maybe the computer is as mixed up as my crazy brain.

I disconnected the whole thing because I still have a lot of work to do. No time to learn Linux and at the same time, do some Apple II restoring.

The only thing I managed to do is to run the Apple IIGS emulator and get those accelerated results. 14MB of RAM and unlimited speed. I then ran the SAFE2 FTP client and the Spectrum Internet Suite web browser.