ADTPro Virtual Serial function

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I have had problems with this program, so I would like to try what is described as the, "Virtual Serial over IP" function as described here: http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/misc.html#Virtual_Serial

I am clueless on how to do this. I did not know which emulator to use so I shot in the dark and chose Applewin since it supports Uthernet emulation but I could not get any further than that since I could not find any REM entry on the batch file on ADTPro on how to start ADTPro with a "localhost" setting.

Any thoughts?

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Re: ADTPro Virtual Serial function

insanitor wrote:

I have had problems with this program, so I would like to try what is described as the, "Virtual Serial over IP" function as described here: http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/misc.html#Virtual_Serial

I am clueless on how to do this. I did not know which emulator to use so I shot in the dark and chose Applewin since it supports Uthernet emulation but I could not get any further than that since I could not find any REM entry on the batch file on ADTPro on how to start ADTPro with a "localhost" setting.

Any thoughts?

Sure.....

The Graphic is from a Macintosh... I would assume that there are some Emulators on Mac that support this Virtual Serial Port..

Instead of the Apple Emulator connecting Slot #2 to a physical Serial Port, it is connected to a Virtual Serial Port, that is connected to the TCP/IP Stack, and than can be directed to the Same Machine, ( Running ADTPro on localhost ), or on another machine on your Network, or even the Internet..

Uthernet is an actual Ethernet Port, and the Apple needs Software to recognize and use the Uthernet. The Virtual Serial Port, looks just like a Slot #2 Serial Port, so no special Apple Software is needed..

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Re: ADTPro Virtual Serial function

Couldn't find any specific Emulator that advertises a "virtual serial port" as a feature.

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I am still looking for answers to this.

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Have you tried with 3rd party virtual serial "null-modem" ports between ADTpro & applewin? Of course, this would work in case ADTpto & emulator are running on one machine...I am not sure this would help you since I can't figure out what you are trying to achieve...But even if you need a remote connection over IP there are still 3rd party applications able to transport "RS232" data over IP...

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Not sure what you mean by, " 3rd party virtual serial null-modem ports". I am running both programs on one machine but they do not connect.

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I meant something like this http://www.eltima.com/products/vspdxp/ and there are many alternatives to that product.

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Re: ADTPro Virtual Serial function

insanitor wrote:

I am clueless on how to do this. I did not know which emulator to use so I shot in the dark and chose Applewin

Ok, let's start with that.

What you do with AppleWin is go to the configuration menu (the button on the right side with a joystick and a speaker) and click on the Configuration tab. In about the center of the dialog box is a dropdown list with "Serial Port:" in front of it. Make sure "TCP" is selected there. (This all has nothing to do with Uthernet, so forget about that.) Then, hit OK on that box. Now, start up the ADTPro distribution disk and pick Serial as the version of ADTPro to run. You should now be faced with the main ADTPro screen on AppleWin.

On the PC side, navigate to the ADTPro server location with a command prompt. type in 'adtpro localhost' without the quotes. You should see the server window come up; it will stay showing the "disconnected" button, but the title bar will say it's listening to port 1977 by default. As luck would have it... that's the same port AppleWin uses. There's nothing for you to change on that end.

Now, back on AppleWin... hit the "D" key and you should receive a directory listing.

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I did what you said and it works (getting a directory listing in Applewin) but...

I have a dumb question: What is this function used for? To transfer disk images from a PC to the same PC? This does not make any sense. It's supposed to be used for turning disk images to real disks, right?

What am I missing here? I tried using a real apple iie through the uthernet and through serial. I can't get a directory listing.

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insanitor wrote:

I have a dumb question: What is this function used for?

I use it to unit test ADTPro on a single machine. It's possible to do across the Internet (virtual Apple II to real server) in different geographic countries if that's your thing. I just enable it... it's up to your imagination to make use of it.

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I tried using a real apple iie through the uthernet and through serial. I can't get a directory listing.

I know you've had trouble here. I've got videos and a web site showing the way. I don't know how else to help.

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Re: ADTPro Virtual Serial function

insanitor wrote:

I tried using a real apple iie through the uthernet and through serial. I can't get a directory listing.

david__schmidt wrote:

I know you've had trouble here. I've got videos and a web site showing the way. I don't know how else to help.

I didn't mean doing this the normal way, I meant doing this while using the serial over ip function.

And I could find only two videos on your site. None of them seem to show how to take advantage of this particular function as far as I could tell.

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david__schmidt wrote:

I know you've had trouble here. I've got videos and a web site showing the way. I don't know how else to help.

I didn't mean doing this the normal way, I meant doing this while using the serial over ip function.

And I could find only two videos on your site. None of them seem to show how to take advantage of this particular function as far as I could tell.

Ok. I was reacting to your original thread start comment saying you had had trouble in general. Serial over IP is not a solution to plain old serial not working in the real world, which looks like what you're trying to do. It didn't occur to me earlier that was your objective.

Serial over IP is a purely virtual solution that I need for my own purposes, and has limited applicability in the real world. It's not intended for everyday use, and so isn't well documented (and certainly not videoed). I wouldn't want people to accidentally try it!

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Accidentally try it? Sounds like if it was well documented, the computers would start to blow up. Tongue

Thanks for your help. Smile

Next stop: Using my Mac Performs 575. I wonder if it will work with my cable.