I'm not sure if this is the right place, but... Ubuntu!!!

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I wanted to share with the world my pleasure with Ubuntu Linux. I am writing this from the Ubuntu live PPC distribution! It is truly a far cry from linux PPC circa 1998!

Linux PPC 1998:
dive yourself crazy for approx. 3 days just trying to get it to boot. Once you finally get it working be prepared for a sloppy, choppy, confusing interface. Once you learn to deal with it you soon find out that you cannot do ANYTHING productive without more hours of frustrating configuration.

Ubuntu PPC live:
Insert CD. reboot (off CD). answer a few simple questions and I'm here!

Well done Ubuntu! Well done! I may just have to pick up a cheap x86 box to set up a more permanant arrangement.

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Keep in mind...

that Apple hardware has also become a bit easier to deal with in the past few years too.

PPC hardware circa 1998: B&W G3 and an army of legacy macs. B&W known for being fast, but still not able to boot from firewire, strange 66mhz pci slot.

PPC hardware today: Going the way of legacy macs. Give it time.

Apple x86 hardware today: barely booting linux.

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Ubuntu is coming along nicely

Ubuntu is coming along nicely. There's almost support for AP Extreme cards in the next release, if the bug fixes come along in time. For now one can do some tweaking and get it running. It's the only thing holding me back from installing Ubuntu on my Mini. It does run great on my iBook, as the original AP works just fine. Wink

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Re: Keep in mind...

While on some level I agree with you, there are a few things you should be aware of:

The hardware I tested Ubuntu on is a B+W.

In fairness, I tested PPC in 98 on a C500. I am therefore willing to accept the choppy GUI issue as slow hardware. Unuseable is a different story, especially considering I had to pay for it.

Also of note is that my C500 was less out of date at the time than my B+W is now.

bin_jammin wrote:

that Apple hardware has also become a bit easier to deal with in the past few years too.

PPC hardware circa 1998: B&W G3 and an army of legacy macs. B&W known for being fast, but still not able to boot from firewire, strange 66mhz pci slot.

PPC hardware today: Going the way of legacy macs. Give it time.

Apple x86 hardware today: barely booting linux.

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Re: I'm not sure if this is the right place, but... Ubuntu!!!

montag wrote:

I'm not sure if this is the right place, but... Ubuntu!!!

Yes! This is the right place. I appreciate you giving an update on your success with Ubuntu.

I know that at some point my aging version of MacOSX is going to fall over. Rather than forking out $129 for an updated version that probably won't work quite so well on the aging hardware, instead I want to move to a *nix PPC distribution. Let us know how it goes.

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Not sure why BSD Unix is

going to "fall over". Linux is fun to set up because its difficult, and challenging. Dissing OS X just cause it aint linux doesnt make sense. And paying for things is a check in the bad column?

oh what a world.

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Re: Not sure why BSD Unix is

Linux is fun because it's difficult and challenging? I find that statement odd coming from a Mac user. Do you find Windows to be the ultimate thrill?

I don't think anyone here is dissing osx because its not linux. The Issue with osx is the $$$ to stay in the game. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm a bit tired of Apples "planed obsolescence" policy with hardware. After all, there are still a few really beefed up biege boxes out there. Dropping them from the list of "officialy supported" was fine, but there is no real need to deliberatly block the os from installing. I understand that Apple is a hardware company, but attempting to force your installed base into buying new hardware is wrong. what they should be doing is making the new hardware so good and/or inexpensive that people wilingly upgrde. And I don't mean by adding usless features that most people will never use, ie: built in camera, remote. Also, osx is getting very bloated.

There is nothing bad about paying for things, however I was always told that the best things in life are free. Smile

dvsjr wrote:

going to "fall over". Linux is fun to set up because its difficult, and challenging. Dissing OS X just cause it aint linux doesnt make sense. And paying for things is a check in the bad column?

oh what a world.

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Re: oh what a world

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Not sure why BSD Unix is going to "fall over". Linux is fun to set up because its difficult, and challenging. Dissing OS X just cause it aint linux doesnt make sense. And paying for things is a check in the bad column?
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1. BSD Unix (Apple darwin) is not going to fall over. In fact, my upgrade to my aging hardware may just be BSD Unix or Linux or something else, there's lots to choose from. What's falling over is an upgrade path from Apple as montage so eloquently put it.

2. I am not "dissing OS X." I like the Mac. In fact I really like the Mac. I've been a fan of Apple for a long time and still am. iTunes and Aqua rock! To run something like GarageBand I need to upgrade OSX and even then the G3 has limitations: hardware upgrade Sad. I'm still using Internet Exploder version 5! Sad Safari costs another OSX upgrade. Sad On the other hand, open source Firefox works like a charm and it will work on with the *nix distro I use in future.

3. I am not going to say whether paying for things is good or bad. At the moment, I have no income and I use very little money if at all. For someone who can put down money on a new OS and hardware that sounds great. Good for them. I am looking at other options. Ubuntu?

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I totally understand and wish I hadn't jumped the gun

I guess sometimes posts have a feel, and I misread yours. No money for new mac is somewhere Ive been, and I didnt mean to imply anything. I installed MKLinux on a original 6100 back in the day. Im a huge Yellow Dog Linux fan, and have several A/UX boxes (original Workgroup server 95's and alternate installs) So I am a fan, too.

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mmopsis could use an edit to

mmopsis could use an edit to go in and close the quote above. The forum is looking odd! Wink Any way, Ubuntu is a nice modern OS that has some good designs that help Linux newbies better than other more utilitarian/advanced h4x0r distros, like Gentoo. It's also get an old Mac running modern software and you get to skip the whole OS 9 debacle (yes, it's got some real issues Wink) but you can run MOL and boot it inside Ubuntu anyway, if needed.

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ubuntu installed!

As of today, I am running ubuntu dapper on an iBook dual-USB. Installation is easy. The most difficult part of the install was confirming that yes, I wanted to erase the hard drive.

I just successfully did a build of some source code under powerpc-linux, that I had compiled yesterday under darwin-bsd Mac OS X 10.1.5.

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If you want to keep your old

If you want to keep your old install of OS X, it's not needed to wipe your HD. The partitioner can resize an HFS+ partition if you turn off Journalling in OS X first.

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Ubuntu Live on a B/W G3

I tried the live CD on it. It took a few minutes to boot, but other than that it was pretty nice. The not so nice part was my keyboard not working - I use a PS/2 to USB adapter to allow the B/W on my KVM switch. I may try it later when it's off of the switch.

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Xubuntu Live on a B/W G3

This is very nice! Except when loading a program, it's hard to tell that it is run from a CD. The only thing that annoys me is the amount of space used on the bars on the top and bottom of the screen.