Copying disks with an Apple IIc Plus

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I have an Apple IIc Plus computer. It has the internal 3.5" floppy, and I also have an external 5 1/4" floppy. I am trying to make a bootable 3.5" disk, along with being able to copy the files from the 5 1/4" disks to that same bootable disk. I have several 5 1/4" game disks that I want to put onto 3.5" disks, and make them bootable. I do have a 3.5" system disk 4.0. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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If I am not mistaken you have to use a 4 to 1 interweave. Because of the intellegent drive/like a UniDrive. Copy II+9.1 does this. That is you choose regular speed to formatt your 3.5 disk. The High speed formatt is a 2 to 1. On the IIgs side Photonix and ZZcopy should be able to change the interweave to what yo want. A lot of the 3.5 disks were formatted 4 to 1. I really did not see any difference in speed in using any programs on them.

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Need more help!!

I havn't used Apple computers in years. This info you are providing is greek to me. Can you explain with more detail.

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Hi,
When you formatt a disk to be used on a IIc+. The 3.5 disk likes a 4 times spin around to 1 read. The apple IIgs which uses a less intelligent drive uses a 2 times spin to 1 read. So the disks you formatt before use should use a 4 to 1 or regular speed when using copy II+.
When using a IIgs program that formatts and writes info at th same time you can set the interweave if it will help you. On a IIgs it does not care if what the interweave is. But on the IIc+ I have heard it does. But you might be able to use a 2 to1, but might run into problems from time to time. Hope this helps.

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If you put a 2:1 interleave d

If you put a 2:1 interleave disk in a //c plus it will just read it slower... (about twice as slow) than a 4:1 disk. It should not cause you a problem.

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Ignore the low-level, tech detailed info. . .

rlieth,
The above responses to your querry may be accurate, but are not relavant to what you are trying to do. The System Utilities disk that you have can do this work for you (largely).

Firstly you need to know that there were two major Operating Systems for the Apple ][s. First came DOS 3.2 (not to be confused with PC DOS), but DOS 3.3 was the major implementation of this OS, this was primarily for use with 5.25'' floppy disks, and won't work with 3.5'' disks. Then came ProDOS (later it was called ProDOS8, for 8-bit Apple ]['s as opposed to ProDOS16 for Apple IIGSs) which is a very versatile OS, usable with 5.25'', 3.5'', and hard disk drives. While you may encounter some of the other (very low in variety) OS's for the Apple ]['s, these two are pretty much it.

If your game disks are copyprotected, or use a proprietary start-up, what you want to do won't work.

O.k. to try to achieve what you want;
1) Google for ''ProDOS startup disk'' for more info.
2)Put in and boot up your System Disk into the built in drive. Run the Utilities program. It has a 'help' feature. Use it. (press the Apple key and the '?' key at the same time while in the utilities program.)
3)Put your 5.25'' disk with the program that you want to copy into the external drive.
4)Catalog the external drive (by slot and drive, not ProDOS pathname , slot 6, drive 1). Is it a DOS 3.3 disk or a ProDOS disk? Some programs written for use under DOS won't work properly under ProDOS, but most will.
5)To see what the layout of files looks like on a Pro-DOS start-up disk, catalog the built-in drive (slot 5, drive 1).
6)Remove (eject) the System Disk. Put in a blank disk. Catalog it. It should have the name 'BLANK'. (At least that's what I named the ones that I sent you Wink .) Give it a different name with the Rename option. Eject it and put it to the side for the moment.
7) Put the system disk back in and Copy Files from the system disk to the newly named disk, copying the first couple of files (I forget for certain, but I think that you copy the files listed before STARTUP), keeping them in the same order that they appear on the System Disk. Unless you have an external 3.5'' drive, you'll have to go though a disk swapping procedure as instructed by the program. Copy the file that you want to boot into, onto the new disk, and rename it STARTUP. I think that's what it takes.

By the way, a //c+ can run four external floppies at once, 2pc.s 3.5''drives (the built in drive is 'in' slot 5, drive 1. The external drives are then S5D2, S4D1). One or two 5.25" drives will be recognized as being located at Slot 6, Drive1, and Drive2 respectively.

Good luck.

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Thanks very much...the info w

Thanks very much...the info was very helpful!!

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Hi, Thanks for getting to t

Hi,
Thanks for getting to the center of what he wanted back pain, kind of clouding of what I seen. It is still out can not sit for log. Not that I always get it right.