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One thing this FAQ doesn't an

One thing this FAQ doesn't answer is "What is Enternet?"...

Is it a browser? Mail client? Suite? What's it do?

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Paleolithic PPP?

That'd be my guess, the tech suggested it when I mentioned older Macs and FreePPP during a reboot. Get it up and running and then fire up your favorite browser . . . still haven't tried it yet tho.

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Enternet experience with VerizonDSL and Quadra

My personal experience with Enternet. I used to have Verizon DSL at my last apartment. They require PPPoE (Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet) to connect to the internet [instead of DHCP like cable modems].

MacPOET was the suggested software for PPPoE, but it wouldn't run on 68K Macs. I searched the 'net and fount Enternet. It had a free demo. It worked pretty well, but Verizon would keep disconnecting me due to "inactivity". This disconnect would wreak havoc on IPNetRouter. The problem was with Enternet NOT being able to establish a connection on demand. Apple's regular PPP could do this, but not Enternet.

Anyhow. I found another version of Enternet that was cuustomized and distributed by Sympatico for their own DSL customers. I think it was still in beta, so it was free. Unfortnately, it still had the same issue as Enternet.

I now have a cable modem which uses DHCP. IPNetRouter has worked great with it. Also, ANY ethernet capable Mac has been able to use the internet directly through the cable modem without any router. Recently, however, I have purchased a cheap hardware router so that I do not have to keep one Mac on to do all the routing.

All that said... I'd suggest that Enternet or Sympatico's PPPoE software should work fine for a single Mac on DSL.

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Solution: use a hardware router

Guys, does it have to be this simple? A cheep one works just fine. It uses NAT, so it deals with PPOE, or whatever your broadband modem dishes up. The router then runs DHCP on the local side, and every computer can use the interenet just fine with built in software. Is there something I'm missing here? What's so bad about a hardware router? :?

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Solution: use a hardware router

Doh! My computer freaked out and sent it twice (no, not user error). *Grumbles about not being able to delete posts*

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uhhhh . . .

. . . there isn't one available? Undecided

I just had "Beater" up and googling on my Verizon DSL connection with the EnterNet Classic trial version and I'm LOVING IT!!!!!!!!!!! This banged up ole'1400c gonna'be'gittin'a lil' G3 transplant a/o WiFi card within the week!

WWWHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

I'll still be surfin' with the 466 Digital Audio when I'm tethered to DSL and won't need a router for a bit yet. There aren't any hardware routers at the grlf's place, but the business center in her building has WiFi & RJ-45 stations along with the Windows boxes.

Where I just went thru Windows H**L the last couple of days:

the idiots who compiled that EnterNet FAQ buried their site's store link . . .
at least I couldn't find it while hurriedly snagging goodies for the trip south . . .
so the CD I burned didn't have an EnterNet installer on it . . .
of course I found that freakin' link AFTER I got down there . . .
can't use the grlf's work-paq . . .
the exploder-stations downstairs were locked out . . .
other than the freakin' A drive . . .
didn't have a floppy on hand the first time anyway . . .
brought one back to FINALLY discover the download was 2.7 MB . . .
only had ONE floppy . . .
those idiot boxes in the business center didn't have a utility for segmenting . . .
. . . well . . . that this idiot could find in a hurry anyway! Embarrassed

dropped back 15 to punt at the Kinkos around the corner . . .
promptly got sacked . . .
behind some moron picking out dippy envelopes for a cheap@$$ invitation run . . .
who eventually chose the unprinted freebies included with the invite run . . .
the manager must have had a heart, she dicided to help and it was MY TURN . . .
only to find out they don't do downloads . . .
AND they charge $20 to burn a CD-R! Shock

. . . so I hit the showers. Undecided

jt

p.s. If I'm ever stuck in a situation like that again, what's the secret combination for file segmenting a biggie-sized Mac installer that's not pre-chunked into optional downloadables on a freakin' exploder-box?

p.p.s. I think the "new" Duo 250 is next in line for a test surf! Laughing out loud

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Sympatico PPPoE

I've used Sympatico's Access Manager on my PB150, but had considerable problems. I never did figure out if the problem was with the Sympatico software, or the FPU-less 150 with very little memory (8MB) trying to run OS 7.6, icab and the access manager software.

The minimum requirement for Access Manager is 7.6.1 with Open Transport - durn heavy overhead for some.

I ended up with a router that takes care of all that. I really disliked the Enternet software - on any of my boxes.

Best bet for a 68K would seem to be - where possible - set up a hardware router or get an old junker running as a software router. Peecees seem to have it best for this with single-floppy linuxes running Roaring Penguin PPPoE or Devil Linux - a really cool CD-based software router distro.

Mac uses have good instructions for a NetBSD router right here

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Re: Sympatico PPPoE

eeun wrote:

I ended up with a router that takes care of all that. I really disliked the Enternet software - on any of my boxes.

That's the kind of feedback I was looking for, e! Could you fill in some of the details on WHY you didn't like EnterNet packages before I need to register/pay?

*. . . or install the new, roomier HDD sitting here . . . * Evil Block Company

. . . any linkage or details for the "Simpatico" option.

I agree that hardware routers and dynamically assigned thingamajiggers are the way to go, but until I find one the size of my ancient Migent Pocket Modem . . . (Blazing 1200 baud beauty in HOT PINK!!!! Tongue . . . currently awaiting hackage, BTW Wink LOL!) one with a built-in PC Card NIC Dongle, built INTO a PC Card NIC or mebbe one designed along the lines of my nifty EtherWave transceivers for use daisy chained in the field, no go!

NEXT QUESTION: when the oldies wind up online, what email app should I use for my .mac account?

. . . or right now under 9.x on my 1400c-G3-2B?

TIA,
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It's really pet peeve more th

It's really pet peeve more than anything else. The software was mostly reliable on a faster machine, but it's another bunch of control panels , control strip module and extensions added so a system I kept pretty tight.

Enternet does have problems if it's using a port also assigned to Appletalk. I also had an occasional problem with it hanging at disconnect.

Here is a link to Sympatico customer support with a bit of info on the Access Manager and download links.

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