Can an AppleCD 600i read a burned CD-R?

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The thread topic pretty much says it all - I just put a working AppleCD 600i into a SCSI case, and my Color Classic can read 'normal' CD's (like my old MacAddict discs), but I just tried burning a ton of stuff from JagsHouse and when inserted, the CC pops up an error saying that it can't read the disc. Am I doing something wrong, or is this CD drive just too old to know how to handle a burned disc?

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Huxley

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In the old days ...

I had an AppleCD 600e (same mechanism, just in an external case), and it worked fine with burned media. Of course, that was 1997-2000 in the early days of CD-R media. What format is the disc being burned in?

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try different media, 650MB disks, and/or gold-based disks

Old CD-ROM drives can be very picky about which media they like and which they don't. Try another brand, or even better, if you can find 'em, try 650MB capacity disks. They seem to to be more compatible with older mechanisms than 700MB disks.

I used Kodak gold disks for quite awhile ('til they got impossible to find at affordable prices) and they can be read by all my old SCSI CD drives.

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re: grannysmith's following comments: Access to HFS vs. HFS+ is a function of the OS, not the drive. An HFS+ disk on pre-8.1 systems reads the disk, but only shows the HFS wrapper 'volume' with its contained 'read me' file telling the user what happened to the now-invisible data.

But certainly the underlying point is a good one - a CC is probably not using 8.1 or above, so you really do need to burn as HFS to be able to read the disk's contents.
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Softly, softly

If your burning software gives you the choice, you need to burn CDs in HFS file format, rather than HFS+, to have them read in a 600i by a pre-OS 8.1 Colour Classic. Newer software/machines may default to HFS+. Use low burn speeds and good quality blanks, but not rewriteable blanks. I burn music CDs from a CC in real time or, at most, 2x, and data need to be treated in almost as leisurely a fashion, because of available data transfer speeds. If you are burning in a newer machine to read in the CC, the foregoing is especially important.

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Re: try different media, 650MB disks, and/or gold-based disks

dankephoto wrote:

Old CD-ROM drives can be very picky about which media they like and which they don't. Try another brand, or even better, if you can find 'em, try 650MB capacity disks. They seem to to be more compatible with older mechanisms than 700MB disks.

I used Kodak gold disks for quite awhile ('til they got impossible to find at affordable prices) and they can be read by all my old SCSI CD drives.

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re: grannysmith's following comments: Access to HFS vs. HFS+ is a function of the OS, not the drive. An HFS+ disk on pre-8.1 systems reads the disk, but only shows the HFS wrapper 'volume' with its contained 'read me' file telling the user what happened to the now-invisible data.

But certainly the underlying point is a good one - a CC is probably not using 8.1 or above, so you really do need to burn as HFS to be able to read the disk's contents.
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dan k

Since I was burning the CD's from the Finder on my MacBook Pro (OS X 10.4.9), I'd assume that it was burning as HFS+. Can I use Disk Utility to burn a 'plain' HFS CD?

Thanks for all the help,

Huxley

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create a disk image, erase as HFS, fill, burn

Here's what I just tried using 10.3.9's Disk Utility. Create a disk image, erase as HFS, fill, burn.

Open DU, create a new 660MB disk image, then still inside DU, select the disk image and erase it as a MacOS standard volume. Finally, in the Finder, copy all the files you want on the disk to that volume. Once you've got the disk the way you want it, use DU to burn the disk image to a CD-R. (In DU, select the disk image file name in the lefthand pane and then go to Menu: Images: Burn... )

For all I know Tiger's version of DU may work differently, I don't know as I haven't tried it.

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Re: try different media, 650MB disks, and/or gold-based disks

dankephoto wrote:

I used Kodak gold disks for quite awhile ('til they got impossible to find at affordable prices) and they can be read by all my old SCSI CD drives.

I'll second the recommendation for Kodak Gold CD-Rs. Alas, I have not been able to find them in the UK for the last five years. The thing about the Kodak Gold is how well they last. I have some Pippin developer CDs that were burned 12 years ago and they still work fine in older CD drives (including the Pippin, 4x Panasonic, same mechanism as CD 600).

Newer brands that have worked for me are TDK and 3M/Imation. Disks burned from image have worked with very old CD drives (single speed SCSI Sony and (something or other branded, uses SoundBlaster ISA interface) Creative Labs). With lots of operating systems (many flavours of Linux, BeOS, MacBSD, Solaris). Unfortunately, disks from brand X may be made by a different OEM depending on where you live in the world, so YMMV.

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Re: try different media, 650MB disks, and/or gold-based disks

dankephoto wrote:

Old CD-ROM drives can be very picky about which media they like and which they don't. Try another brand, or even better, if you can find 'em, try 650MB capacity disks. They seem to to be more compatible with older mechanisms than 700MB disks.

I used Kodak gold disks for quite awhile ('til they got impossible to find at affordable prices) and they can be read by all my old SCSI CD drives.

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re: grannysmith's following comments: Access to HFS vs. HFS+ is a function of the OS, not the drive. An HFS+ disk on pre-8.1 systems reads the disk, but only shows the HFS wrapper 'volume' with its contained 'read me' file telling the user what happened to the now-invisible data.

But certainly the underlying point is a good one - a CC is probably not using 8.1 or above, so you really do need to burn as HFS to be able to read the disk's contents.
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I was writing about outcomes, not mechanisms. The reference to OS 8.1 makes it clear, even if implicitly rather than explicitly, what part is played by the System. The question related, after all, specifically to the context of a CC running a 68030-supported System.

I second all the motions about CD stock: Kodak Gold (despite the disadvantage of the cluttered label side if you wish to apply a stick-on label), 650MB (or 74-min.) and low burn speeds. (The CC cannot shift data fast enough, otherwise.) I shall add Datastream as a worthwhile brand, and one that has never let me down, even for audio masters. I have now run out of 12x and 16x, which are no longer produced, but they were fine for older burners and computers.

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Toast

also,versions of toast PRIOR to version 7 still had an option to burn as HFS instead of HFS+