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I am completely new to this forum, and I have recently been reading and trying to discover more about the Apple I.

Very much homebrew, obviously, from what I can tell. Seems like you had to know what you were doing if you were to even THINK about purchasing one.

Forgive me if this sounds like a stupid question.

But what could you actually DO with the Apple I?

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experiment

I want to use mine to work on developing peripherals (not any time soon, since I'm not skilled enough to not make mistakes, and not rich enough to make them). I want to make sensor devices that will communicate with various hardware and software protocols, and I was thinking that the RS232 interface might be a relatively simple way to start out.

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The original Apple I

The original Apple I was way before PCs, lap-tops, or other personal computers. In 1977, when I first got my Apple I, many people were amazed that an individual could have their own computer, because computers were only for big companies, were too expensive, and there were no uses for a computer for an individual. How things have changed in 30 years! Yes, we had to know (or learn) what to do with them, find out what they were capable of, and stretch their cpaacities.

Now, Apple I clones are used for experiments, understanding and development of our personal skills and abilities. It's much simpler to understand the hows and whys on this simple interface than it is to understand how a modern computer works. You have already starting on the journey to better understand computers when you start researching the beginnings of the industry. Welcome aboard. Lift-off is underway!

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So how would I go about getti

So how would I go about getting a "I"? Is there a kit out there? Or would I just have to find a breadboard and a bunch of chips and have at it?

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google search for the replica

google search for the replica I the a-one

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Re: So how would I go about getti

sopranojam85 wrote:

So how would I go about getting a "I"? Is there a kit out there? Or would I just have to find a breadboard and a bunch of chips and have at it?

I got my Replica-1 from Briel Computers, http://www.brielcomputers.com

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Emulators

You could always try the Pom1 Apple I emulator to get an idea of what it's like to use an Apple.

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Get a Kit

Hello, I got my A-One apple I Clone from:

http://www.achatz.nl

Or use a emulator on your PC.

Using a emulator software is a easy way to have a apple I feeling.

But building the kit and to see that it works make you very happy,

believe it!!

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Ok, now what?

I've downloaded a few different types of Apple I emulators, and all of them seem to have the emulator inside a ".dsk" file.

I'm on Mac OS X, so how the heck do I run this file??

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OK, here's the deal. I'm t

OK, here's the deal.

I'm trying to run the POM 1 emulator. I'm following the installation instructions, which state that I need to navigate to the SRC directory, and type ./configure within the command prompt.

I'm running Mac OS X 10.4.10, and I'm using terminal to do this. Every time I do, it says "Access Denied." I even tried in single user mode -- same thing.

Will this even work on OS X? How do I get around this??

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disk permissions

try repairing the permissions on the system. just go into Applications->Utilities->Disk Utility and click "Repair Permissions". If it comes down to it, go to the file, and right click and go to "Get Info" and set the permissions yourself. that *might* fix the problem. oh, and when you set the permissions, set it to your user name.

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Still will not let me. All fi

Still will not let me. All files are set to my user account.

Can somebody please tell me how I can run an Apple I emulator on a mac w/ OS X 10.4.10?

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In the mounted DIsk image?

I noticed you never said you copied the files over from the mounted disk image. If you're trying to run ./configure from within a disk image, you can't do it, since it is write only.

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All of the files and folders

All of the files and folders for the Pom 1 emulator have been copied over onto my desktop. They are not on a disk image, and do not appear to be within any kind of a virtual disk image. They are just files within a couple of folders.

I downloaded the emulator, and unzipped the files. I then copied all the files and folders into a folder on my desktop. I've set all files and folders here to have read/write permissions by my user account.

What am I doing wrong? Thanks for your patience, I really appreciate it!

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new account test

A standard thing to do when you're having any kind of trouble you can't debunk, is to create a new account, and log into it, then try what you were doing in the new account.

You say it's telling you "Access Denied"? That's showing up in the terminal? Nothing else?
You might find more information in the /Applications/Utilities/Console.app, in the system.log or console.log, just run whatever's not working again, and you should find more information in your most recent log entries.

There will probably be a way to increase the information you get from the configure script, as well. A script I just looked at has a verbose option "./configure -v", which you might have to search the configure script for the precise option syntax (look for v, verbose, or debug). You may be just able to type in ./configure -v, though, it's pretty standard, and might also try ./configure --help (or even just typing in anything that shouldn't work, to get an output from the script telling you what you can do)

./configure -DONTWORK
configure: error: unrecognized option: -DONTWORK
Try `./configure --help' for more information.

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Well, I did all that, and no

Well, I did all that, and no matter what, I still get "permission denied." I even tried the --help extension -- "permission denied."

speaking of --help...................HELP!

I dunno, what else do you think could be causing this issue?

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What are the permissions?

Is the configure script executable? (ls -l ./configure)
if there's no x in there (-rwxr-xr-x 1 OWNER GROUP 10240 Jul 11 09:18 test)
see if (chmod +x ./configure) will let you run it.

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Where's the source?

Send me a link on where to get the source, and I'll see if there's anything I can do that works(or works differently).

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Well, the funny thing is that

Well, the funny thing is that the Pom-1 folder has a file called configure.ac, and the SOURCE folder has a file called configuration.c, and a file called configuration.h.

The installation instructions say to navigate to the source folder, and run ./configure, but everytime I did that, it says "no such file or directory.

SO, i went up a directory to the main POM folder, and typed ./configure.ac. (Typing in ./configure gives me "no such file or directory.)

Could I be missing a file here?

I will try those above suggestions, too, in the meantime.

Thanks!

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where?

were you running ./configure from? ... nevermind. I just downloaded it. Yes, no configure script. Um, If you run ./autogen.sh, it should generate the files you need, but I get an error about a macro that I don't have installed, so your milage may vary, depending on what libraries you have installed. At any rate, if you run ./autogen.sh, it'll create a configure script, and run it (mine failed).

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Ditto. About 75% of the neces

Ditto. About 75% of the necessary libraries are missing.

This is really obscure. Where do I get those libraries?

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SDL

Is this, I think

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=85938

Which is what the autogen.sh script seems to need (all the *SDL* macros).

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oops.

That last reply I made referenced a project with no released files. More likely the library is this:

http://libsdl.org/

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Interesting. I want to be

Interesting.

I want to be sure I don't bugger anything up.

Which libraries should I download?

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Good God! With all the effort

Good God! With all the effort in trying to get POM1 to work you could have ordered, built and learned machine language by now. Ha Ha..

Vince's kits are not just about experiementing, they are well made 8 bit computers. I had fun just putting one together and powering it up.

If you have an interest in 8-bit machines, I can't recommend any other kit more strongly than the Replica 1. Go to his website and read some of the forums.

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