Apple IIc--can I use a modem to go on line and fetch software?

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I've been playing around a bit with Apple II emulators, but would really like to get myself an Apple IIc.

I have an old serial modem. I've seen that one can get an Apple IIc serial printer cable for null modem transfers.

I'm interested in whether such a cable would connect to the IIc and allow me to go on line and, say, ftp various dsk files that are out there.

My main computer is an iBook G4 which cannot use 800K floppies.

I have an old Powerbook 170 which I'd like to unload, but right now the only way I can see doing this transfer is iBook to Zip disk, then from Zip disk to PB 170, then in the PB 170 to an 800K disk and then... oh, wait! That would only work with an IIc+, right, the one with the 800K 3.5" disk. Hmm...

So, I'm back with my question about whether I'll be able to download software directly from the net to the IIc.

Any and all thoughts, reactions, suggestions welcomed!

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Re: Apple IIc--can I use a modem to go on line and fetch softwar

Word Juggler wrote:

So, I'm back with my question about whether I'll be able to download software directly from the net to the IIc.

The way it usually works is you download .DSK images using your internet-enabled machine. You then send the disk images back to the IIc using ADT or ADTPro over a serial link to reconstitute the disks. See here for that setup: http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/connectionsserial.html#IIc%20serial%20port%20cabling

Also see Brendan Robert's Apple Game Server, which lets you run games on real hardware without using disks at all:
http://brendan.robert.googlepages.com/applegameserver

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Appreciate the leads. Hmm.

Appreciate the leads.

Hmm... interesting... I already have a Keyspan serial adapter...

Still I'm not sure I know what this meant on the ADT page: "I don't have an IIc to test and take pictures of (donations, anyone?), but users report success with standard serial port adapters. "

"standard serial port adapter"?? What's that? An add-on to attach to the IIc's serial port? Elsewhere, I've read that one should use the Apple IIc serial printer cable for this to work it (a din-5 or some such).

Of course, I'll have to look elsewhere for the rest of the directions--that is, how transferring a .dsk image to a, say, ProDOS disk results in an actual bootable, usable 5.25" or 3.5" disk! Or does ATDT handle that, too, somehow?

OTOH, I'm intrigued by the notion of hooking up the IIc to a standard old fashioned external modem and ftping files directly from an Internet site. Any leads on that?

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Appreciate the leads. Hmm.

Appreciate the leads.

Hmm... interesting... I already have a Keyspan serial adapter...

Still I'm not sure I know what this meant on the ADT page: "I don't have an IIc to test and take pictures of (donations, anyone?), but users report success with standard serial port adapters. "

"standard serial port adapter"?? What's that? An add-on to attach to the IIc's serial port? Elsewhere, I've read that one should use the Apple IIc serial printer cable for this to work it (a din-5 or some such).

I thought ADT only worked on IBM machines... is there an OS X version floating around?

Of course, I'll have to look elsewhere for the rest of the directions--that is, how transferring a .dsk image to a, say, ProDOS disk results in an actual bootable, usable 5.25" or 3.5" disk! Or does ATDT handle that, too, somehow?

OTOH, I'm intrigued by the notion of hooking up the IIc to a standard old fashioned external modem and ftping files directly from an Internet site. Any leads on that?

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ADTPro

Larry,

All you need to do is download ADTPro, from the ADTPro site, it's a JAVA application that will run on a Mac, I use it on my Mac Mini to transfer files to my IIe. Hook up the serial cable from the IIc to the Keyspan adapter and run ADTPro on the Mac to send the Apple II client to the Apple II. Once you have the Apple II client on your IIc you can transfer disk images back and forth between the Mac and the IIc.

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Re: Appreciate the leads.

Word Juggler wrote:

I already have a Keyspan serial adapter...

That's what I mean by a "standard serial port adapter."

Word Juggler wrote:

Elsewhere, I've read that one should use the Apple IIc serial printer cable for this to work it (a din-5 or some such).

Right. You have to somehow connect your IIc to your Keyspan adapter; that will certainly start with a din-5 connector on the IIc end.

Word Juggler wrote:

I thought ADT only worked on IBM machines... is there an OS X version floating around?

ADT (specifically, the ADTWin server) only works on IBM machines. ADTPro is different. It is written in Java, and is supported on Linux, OSX, and Windows. I bet I could get it to work on OS/2, too.

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Of course, I'll have to look elsewhere for the rest of the directions--that is, how transferring a .dsk image to a, say, ProDOS disk results in an actual bootable, usable 5.25" or 3.5" disk! Or does ATDT handle that, too, somehow?

The bootstrapping page from ADTPro goes through that when you're just getting started (i.e. if you have zero software yet). Once you are using ADTPro, you can use it to transfer any .dsk image you have directly to a real, bootable floppy. The .dsk images contain the boot information on tracks 0 and 1, so if the image is of a bootable disk - the disk you create with ADTPro will be bootable.

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OTOH, I'm intrigued by the notion of hooking up the IIc to a standard old fashioned external modem and ftping files directly from an Internet site. Any leads on that?

Not really. You'd need an IP stack, PPP dialer, etc. Contiki might be most of the way there, but it's not going to be a straightforward path to go from .dsk to real floppy.

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I remember seeing a thread ar

I remember seeing a thread around here at some point where someone was able to get online and stuff using a IIe. I'll see if I can dig it up.

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Wonderful help!

Say, Dean & David, much thanks! The explanations, thread links, & comments are just what the doctor ordered.

Now, I'll touch base with some of the local Mac users to see if anyone has an Apple IIc sitting around they'd like to donate to a good cause-- ME!