10.4 Or Wait For 10.5

At this time it's still up in the air whether 10.5 is going to support G3 machines at all. The current developer preview versions don't work without a G4 or better.

I hope you're not planning to pay much for that iBook. They're dropping like flies, you know.

--Peace

Pre-release documentation for Leopard states a requirement of a G4 800 MHz or better.
Assume it'll run on less, much like previous releases, but all the bells and whistles may cause slowdowns on an aging G3, or not work at all (as in the case of software like Garage Band).
If not the processor, it may be the video requirements that kill the deal.
Mostly speculation until 10.5's release, but my two cents say 10.5 doesn't look like it'll give you the same performance you'll get from 10.4.

when 10.5 comes out it will have its fair share of issues that are not in the latest version of tiger.

i run 10.4.10 on my upgraded Beige G3 in my sig and cant be any more happy with it. i would get tiger and wait till after leopard has been released and the issues of it have been reviled. right now tiger is very stable with real good compatibility with software.

i would not jump into any new released OS without first seeing it in action and know its issues first. and maybe wait till the first update and then make the plunge to buy it.

its never a good ideal to go in head first and buy the latest and greatest new OS that came out before you have seen it in its true form. you should realize that there will be some compatibility issues when it first comes out.

the bad thing is that laopard will not support a G3 system. now it might if ryan makes a version of xpostfacto but there will be another issue, 1 if he comes back into making a leopard version of xpostfacto ( he has not been active in the techforum on OWC since december 2005), and 2 if he can trick the OS into installing on a unsupported Mac. leopard does different system checks to see if its being installed on a unsupported system,

for a G3 system i would stick to tiger or buy a G4 system so you can install leopard on it

I've just been reading a few articles about Leopard and many people think it's unfair that Leopard may not support G3 I think that also. G3 is still a fairly good chip and to disown loyal users is ridiculous.But it's probably because they want to make more money by making us buy the newest macs.But usually our G3's are fine. One thing I don't get is why does Tiger Need a Firewire port a firewire is just an extra for us that have DV cameras.

Depending on it's speed, you will have to make that choice. I run 10.4.10 on my 400mhz B&W G3, which has been running the same installation since october of last year (actually, it started life as flat 10.4 from a CD set after running 10.3 for a week). I must say I am surprised how quick it is, even with all the features enabled. I have been hearing complaints of people having to disable shadows, spotlight, and the dashboard to see descent performance, but I have not.

They probibly added an arifical limit because alot of developers are using G4s and higher, and not a lot are using older G3s (though some are, look at how many 68k apps are still being made. iCab, ircle, and MpegDec just to name a few). I bet you money when the final release comes, the hardware requirements will be much better. Say a 500mhz G3/400mhz G4 or faster, 256mb of ram, and maybe 5gb or so. That leaves the TiBooks and icebooks, as well as 2001 macs in play, even though they are in their extended support cycles (5 years fully supported, 7 years of extended support). hell, when Tiger came out in April of 2005, the B&W G3, the oldest supported machine was in it's extended support.

just my 2 cents.

-digital

Thanks for your 2 cents I always liked the B&W G3's but I didn't get one I had my Rev. B iMac it was a workhorse for many years and, I do understand apple does need to make a line and 500mhz is good line. The only reason I decided to make my secondary computer as a laptop is due to the fact I need to get outside more. The only reason I want 10.5 is because of the few extra features.

yeah, I know what you mean. I have come to find out that a portable is a necessity. I have turned my B&W in to a quasi server, either mounting the HD over the wifi, or connecting to it with Apple Remote Desktop (a damn fine piece of software, worth every cent, and much better than any VLC you can find). I first had a 400mhz pismo, which had 320mb of ram (upgraded it to 384. seller said it only had 64mb, but it had a 256mb module, which was a nice surprise). It died, so I paid $200 for an icebook from wegner media, and it is a nice machine. Much more compact, but i do miss the expansion, and I can't use the 256mb module I have, because even though both machines have the same type of RAM, the 256mb is a high profile 16 chip module, and it physically won't fit. I'll be getting a 512mb module soon to max it to 576mb, and install tiger. With my airport card, it's a nice, compact machine, and about the only regret I have with it is not getting a machine with a DVD drive, but I got a plain vanilla CD-ROM. Oh well.

but yeah, fresh air is nice, so getting a portable, no matter what kind, is kind of needed for most people. Yes, a desktop is nice, but a portable adds a good amount of, um...portability. It is nice to get outside and still have a powerful computer with you.

-digital

The first desktop to come out with a 800mhz G4 was the original Quicksilver. It came out in July of 2001--six years ago. Apple typically seems to extend new OS support back five or six years. There's probably a legality involved. It's probably what a law or code requires them to do. Personally, I don't really see why they should be expected to expend man&woman-hours resolving issues with much older, much slower machines and thereby cluttering up an OS already optimized for faster machines. That's the job for Fritterers and other enthusiasts, and they know, I'm sure, plenty of die-hards will figure things out eventually for their older machines anyway, and probably fairly quickly. Five or six years back seems fair to me, especially considering the rapid changes computers go through in short amounts of time. The G3's are ten years old already.

how does one disable shadows in Leopard