While learning more about me new enhanced IIe, my attebntion turned to mice and what works with the IIe. From what I can tell, it seems like I need a mouse card and of course a mouse. Are the IIe and IIc mice interchangeable. The things I read lead me to belive this is true, but I'm just looking for comformation or correction.
As I undersand it the mice are MOSTLY interchangeable. I've heard that some very early mice shipped with the //e card and some early Mac mice may not work with a //c, but all the later ones will, and so will most newer Mac mice with DB9. I don't know right off hand how to tell the difference, because if memory serves, the part number didn't change.
If I am wrong hopefully someone will correct me.
What software are you hoping to use with the mouse?
The Joystick fits in the same connector (at least on the //c) and is very functional on The Print Shop and others.
I'll probably play around with Mouse Paint and then explore what else I can use it with. I haven't looked yet to see if AppleWorks 3 works on the IIe but that might be another use case. However, me getting a mouse is more about completeing my setup as a collection than me using it for much. Don't get me wrong, I hope to find uses for it, which is why I ask the question. But yeah, the joystick works surprisingly well in Printshop.
That's pretty much my understanding. I'll be using this with a IIe, so if the IIc is the one that has issues, I'm not too worried about that. I just hope its not the other way around! LOL
It is my understanding that if you have a mouse that works with a //c, and most do, it should also work with all //e mouse cards and any toaster style Mac that uses a DB9 connector.
Just note that not all DB-9 Macintosh mice (M0100) work with the //e or //c. Some do and some don't. From my memory of a discussion around this some years ago, I vaguely remember the general consensus of whether a M0100 mouse would work on the //e or //c is where the mouse was manufactured. I think I recall that mice manufactured in Japan didn't work (or I may have that backwards). Anyway, just be careful buying a Macintosh mouse (M0100), as there is a good chance it will not work on the Apple II machines.
I have only seen this problem of m0100 mice not working on the iic since it merges its joystick and mouse port. I have never seen the same issue on a iie with mouse card. I dont think that problem exists on the iie.. Only the iic. So any of those iic iie m0100 or lisa mice would work fine on the iie mouse card.
This is my understanding also. I've never seen a DB9 mouse, even very early Mac ones that wouldn't work with a //e card. I could be wrong though, that's just my experience.
Whats a toaster style mac? I never heard this term.
Some people used to refer to the original style Macs that way. They were about the size of a toaser, and I think the auto-eject floppy drives kind of reminded people of a toaster. Jobs kind of intended the Mac to be "like an appliance", so there was kinda a feel. Plus there was a screensaver that was popular back then that featured flying toasters. Although I think that came after people started calling them.
That seems like a pretty vig stretch but ok. Thanks for explaining.
My understanding is that the //c compatible mice had resistors added to several of the pins to allow the computer to distinguigh it from a joystick. This was of course unnecesary on the //e or Macintosh as the former used a dedicated card for the mouse and the latter didn't use a joystick.
This website details an adaptor that will allow you to use any M0100 with the //c:
there's an ebay listing at the bottom, appearently, their about $19.
I happen to have a A2M4015 mouse //c sitting here, so I opened it up to take a look. If anyone ever needs to open one of these, after taking the lone screw out on the button, there are two clips on each side of the strain relief that hold on very tight. I had to use a plastic tool to pop the tabs loose. Inside, I found in addition to the photo sensors, two resistor networks, and a SN74LS14N. Also, in case anyone needs a new switch, it is a Omron SS-01-FD which still seems readily available from Mouser (they have 300 some, Digikey is out of stock).
RN1 is near the switch and stamped E(maybe F)10K<ohm symbol>8433.
RN2 is angled near the ball and is stamped E620<ohm symbol>8432.
A2M4015 Top PCB.jpg
A2m4015 Bottom PCB.jpg
Yes i have bought the raphnet adapter for a iic to test it out and i can say if you have a iic with an m0100 mouse thst misbehaves it will correct it. However its a simple design with one 74 ttl logic ic so i just used the schematic on the raphnet website and made my own.
Again you wont need the adapter with a IIe.