I'm the (mostly) happy new recipient of a B&W G3 that was in good shape (other than needing to slap some thermal greese on the processor and put the heat sink and clip back on). I went to install 10.2 (because its what was laying around) and it would get fully installed. on reboot it would hang and when I reset it, it was totally fubar'd. as in kernel panic kind of fubar'd. after doing this twice and reformatting twice, I decided that it might be good to try taking baby steps from os 9. I popped my trusted 9.1 cd in, it booted fine and when I clicked on it... it gave me an error about the firmware needing to be upgraded. I tried to run the updater and it says that I need an installed os in order to be able to run that. I no longer have my os 8.1 or 8.5 cd's, since they were no longer of use to me and they've been placed in that black hole known as my garage. Does anyone have any idea where to go from now? as far as getting new firmware installed? and does anyone have any hints for installing os X? the b&w is stock except for the 60 gig oem drive in there. thanks for your time, Chris P.