the differents versions of an apple 1

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the differents versions of an apple 1

Hello,

I found just this forum, wich is very interesting Smile

I've one questions.... I've meself an Apple 1 Smile

Last week, some one says that there exist two fifferent versions of the Apple1...
How can I recognise them? What are the differences between them?

Thanks a lot and happy new year, smily

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Well, what you found was a re

Well, what you found was a replica on ebay. To win, you must answer the question. Good luck

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Apple-1 Versions

I don't think there was more than one ORIGINAL Apple-1. However...

Vince Briel Has built a very workable replica of the Apple-1 Computer and there are more of them out than original Apple-1s.

Also, a fellow now is selling a NEW Apple-1 replication which he says he built himself. He is also selling a duplicate of the circuit board of the original Apple-1 with all the required chips, power supply, keyboard and monitor so a person can build their own duplication of the original Apple-1.

It's getting confusing.

When did you acquire your Apple-1? Is it in working condition? Do you ever use it? Is it for sale?
We're all interested in anything you can tell us about your Apple.

Oh, and welcome to the forum!

Larry

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If you could get a good clear

If you could get a good clear picture of it. The ppl on this board can most likely tell you if it is authentic.

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Re: Apple-1 Versions

iceandfire wrote:

Also, a fellow now is selling a NEW Apple-1 replication which he says he built himself. He is also selling a duplicate of the circuit board of the original Apple-1 with all the required chips, power supply, keyboard and monitor so a person can build their own duplication of the original Apple-1.

Where can you get that duplicate board and IC set?
And how expensive is it?
Some of us can't afford the real deal, but this is something that should really be in all computer collections...

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there were 50-200 or so origi

there were 50-200 or so original apple 1s

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New Old Apple

I am NOT suggesting that this is a good thing, but the fellow selling the Apple-1 re-builds is selling the kit on eBay. I suggest anyone thinking of purchasing one of these make sure the seller is legitimate, the kit is worth it and the results are what you really want. Just like with all on-line auctions. With that all said, here is the current eBay site:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-1-Computer-Vintage-Parts-Kit_W0QQitemZ8742010035QQcategoryZ80286QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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I checked that link...

Not only is he taking $399 for it, and including a 5" 'monitor' (a cheap B/W TV which happens to be able to take Composite) and which I don't need, but he also doesn't ship outside the USA...
(Not much use for me as I'm in Norway)

Briel computers, though
http://www.brielcomputers.com/
Their kit can't be mistaken for the 'real deal', but the kit + a serial card is $159 + shipping and they ship worldwide.

Guess which one I'll be buying when I can afford it...
(will take a few months, I'm afraid... )

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?

I thought (can't now remember why) that there were only 30 ever built, and each of them done so by Woz himself in the garage. The reason so few were built is that Apple took off immediately and moved to mass production, which warrented the renaming and reconfiguring of the machine to Apple ][.

Also, one of the originals, at least, was destroyed in a fire at Woz's residence (many years after the Apple ][ debuted)... so there could only be 29 left at most.

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Good thing

I think that this kit is a GOOD thing. The schematic for the Apple 1 has been used in schools to demonstrate a clean concise design. The only thing "missing" in the kit is an "educational" walk through on the video and DRAM sections.

Discuss? I can't think of anything wrong with the kit OTHER than it could potentially be confused with a real Apple 1. However the author clearly states it with a "watermark". I was actually planning on producing something very similar, and I would not have included the water mark because it makes it less special...IMO, but I might have SOLD the kit with a water mark.

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Good Thing?

Another thing missing from this kit is a storage device. You can only input through the keyboard and only output through the video. Your programs in RAM will disappear when the power is off. And you can't load any of the programs available on-line... or even BASIC! (Unless you type all 4K bytes in first).

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Vince's serial board should w

Vince's serial board should work with it.

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Close copy, but board scans can debunk all the fakes so far...

Close copy, but the origional board scans can debunk all the fakes so far...

Remember the guy who gave us 40MB RAW scans of the board? Well, I've determined that the board isn't really a complete duplicate of the Apple 1. The radiuses are larger on the traces on the clone. Plus sometimes there is a convinient reroute.

However otherwise its complete.

One annoying thing is it appears he didn't emulate the font as well as he could have, and he didn't include the copyright date!!!

Otherwise it looks like a very nice job. I mean, the traces aren't EXACTLY where they were...but very close. I bet he HAS an Apple 1 or has x-rayed one. I will probably buy the kit, and if I do I'll look at the back of the board. Its possible he only made it look genuine from the top side.

Anyway, were there 2 versions of the Apple 1?

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I don't think there were "2 v

I don't think there were "2 versions" because I've only read of 1 batch of boards being produced but there were suttle differences like the PIA and the white 6502's, etc.

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