Help with recently acquired Apple II Plus

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Help with recently acquired Apple II Plus

Hello all,

 

I have just recently inherited an Apple II+ Plus from my late godfather. I got it working with little trouble, but then the power supply blew up. I bought a replacement for it from ReativeMicro and just installed it. Since installation I seem to be having trouble with getting the Apple II to read disks. Now when turning on the Apple II, it flashes the screen with random characters for a split second and then just stays at the Apple II screen with the drive spinning, I can get it to boot to BASIC by pressing CTRL+RESET. 

 

I have a feeling it is either a problem with the Apple II board itself or the Disk II interface card. I have tried to swap between the two disk units I have and whatever I have connected to the Disk 1 slot is what is endlessly spinning.

 

Any help is greatly appreciated!!

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Someone will be along soon

Someone will be along soon with more info, but, when a II Plus has a disk interface card installed, it will boot to the Apple II header and await a valid disk. Lots of things could potentially be an issue there, but namely, if the disk is the wrong type it can just spin like that. CTRL+RESET to get to BASIC is also normal with a disk card inserted.

 

If you want, you could try loading a cassette program from your smartphone using an audio cable hooked to the tape in on the Apple II Plus, to otherwise test the system. 

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What disk do you have in the

What disk do you have in the drive? Do you know that it is good?

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skate323k137 wrote:Someone
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Someone will be along soon with more info, but, when a II Plus has a disk interface card installed, it will boot to the Apple II header and await a valid disk. Lots of things could potentially be an issue there, but namely, if the disk is the wrong type it can just spin like that. CTRL+RESET to get to BASIC is also normal with a disk card inserted.

 

If you want, you could try

 

Unfortunatly I know these disks worked fine because I was testing them out before the original power supply blew. Could you link me more instructions to hook up my phone to the tape line in on my Apple II? I would be potentially interested in doing this if I could run a diagnostics on it. This is my first go at anything from this era, as this computer is signifigantly older than I am.

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That's pretty neat. The Apple

That's pretty neat you are interested in this stuff then. The Apple II was my 1st school computer.

 

Anyway the very short version is to connect an aux cord and turn the volume up pretty loud, and then issue the LOAD command to basic right after starting the "tape." This site has far more detailed instructions as well as a library of software in audio format.

 

https://asciiexpress.net/diskserver/readme.html

 

I hope you are able to get sorted! 

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I am an electrical test

I am an electrical test engineer by day so as my dad says "I live and breathe this stuff"

 

An update on the Apple II: I removed the disk interface card and it booted as normal, I used that website you provided to try to load some of the games that could be fit in RAM to see if they would work and it appears to work! Unfortunately I also discovered the S and D keys do not work unless pressed harder than I would like. Sounds like I will have to find a way to repair the keyboard and the disk interface card?

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macdude2010 wrote:I am an
macdude2010 wrote:

I am an electrical test engineer by day so as my dad says "I live and breathe this stuff"

 

An update on the Apple II: I removed the disk interface card and it booted as normal, I used that website you provided to try to load some of the games that could be fit in RAM to see if they would work and it appears to work! Unfortunately I also discovered the S and D keys do not work

You can try a little Deonit on the keys, but you may need to replace the keyswitch.  Depending on which version of the ][+ keyboard you have that usually isn't too bad.  You can find keyswitches on eBay sometimes.  There are several different versions.

 

 

 

 

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Keyboard repair

Since your keys work sometimes, but take extra force, then a little contact cleaner should do the trick.  I like "Deoxit D5", but people use lots of things. Spray, rapid press the key a few hundred times (like it is the the fire button on Galaga), repeat.  Do this a few times a day or two apart and your keyboard problem is likely to be solved.  You will find lots of keyswitch tips on this site if that does not fix it.

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It's very very easy to

It's very very easy to accidentally connect the disk drive connector one-pin off...

If you do so, it blows the analog board on the disk drive and turns it into an automatic disk-erasing device.

You will then have to repair the drive and then reformat all the disks you tried to use. They will be ruined (well, track 0 anyway).

 

 

 

 

 

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rittwage is correct...  it

rittwage is correct...  it almost always blows the 74LS125 on the Disk ][ Analog Board.  It can occasionally blow one of the other chips but rarely.  If you have an Apple II with a Disk ][ drive, it is a good idea to keep a couple extra 74LS125 in your parts bin just in case.

 

 

 

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Another Update on the Apple

Another Update on the Apple II:

 

Got the new Disk interface card and installed it into Slot 6, unfortunately same issue, the disk makes a little noise and then spins endlessly with no "Boot Cursor", I also installed a new 74LS125 on the Disk II analog board with no difference either. I did see what I think is an error message on boot once, attaching for reference:

 

This is also the random characters that flash when turning on, dont know what this is:

 

Any other suggestions?

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Video corruption

Do you see the same video corruption without any cards istalled?  If so,  it looks like it might be bad RAM in the lowest bank, otherwise, your problem is related to the disk subsystem.  That RAM bank is responsible for the text video screen, among some other important system things. In order to boot properly, the Apple ][ Plus needs good RAM only in the first row closest to the keyboard.  My guess it might not actually be bad, but all the inserting and removing of disk controller cards flexed the motherboard and caused poor connections betweem the RAM socket connections and the RAM chip legs.  I would start by pulling all the first bank of RAM, looking for corrosion (often has black legs) or bad sockets.  I'd spray some Deoxit DL5 or other contact cleaner on the socket and reinsert the RAM chips. Often, just removing and reinserting the RAM chips will solve this problem, even without any contact cleaner. You can also swap RAM from another bank into the lowest bank or try to identify individual RAM chips.  Often a bad RAM chip will be noticably hotter to the touch than good RAM.  You can search this site for more info on ][ plus RAM problems and solutions, or ask here for more ideas.

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