Strictly speaking... is this legal (to sell)?
Beige G3 Apple Desktop w/Zip running Jaguar for you !!
Terrific G3 has Zip drive& comes running with OS X 10.2
Item number: 5110461145
At least 4 were sold, all without the original installation disks, and it seems obvious all installations came from the same original disks.
Is Apple enforcing its licensing?
No, it's not legal to sell multiple machines preloaded off the same set of OS X disks.
Will Apple slap you back to uglytown for doing it? Depends whether or not they notice/catch you. Someone apparently "getting away with it" on eBay is *not* a license to do it yourself.
Unfortunately Ebay is a license to do it yourself. In fact Ebay allows a lot of laws to be broken and they claim they are not responsible. Who is responsible then ?
I personally will not buy through Ebay anymore and do not support their business or PayPal.
But I do use Ebay for information and if I see something I want I send a message to the seller, who are usually more than happy to leave Ebay and their fees aout of the transaction.
I expect if it came to the courts, the seller would be primarily responsible. Ebay offers the selling service, not the item itself. They do some policing of auctions, otherwise they could be deemed liable for copyright infringement, etc., if it's shown they haven't performed due diligence, but they don't have the resources to check the full legality of every single auction. ebay's bottom line to the seller is caveat emptor - let the buyer beware.
Interesting. So you and the seller use ebay, but don't pay ebay for the service of linking you two together.
Have you considered that you're seemingly against ebay for offering unethical transactions, while using ebay yourself in an unethical manner?
My previous ethical structure would allow such things, as eBay (or AT&T, etc.) is a company, not a person – ethics don't apply.
I've replaced that with something much more radical... its not who is harmed, but what you DO that matters, as karma doesn't care either way, it'll get you comming and going.
Ethics don't apply to comapnies? Those companies who are built, run, and staffed by people who need them for jobs and income? Ethics don't apply to that which people create, use and dpend on, but only apply to the people themselves, eh? There's alot of ideas people have that don't apply well in the "real" world. Once you get a taste of doing business on your own, that particular ethical statment will change rapidly.
Ethics and morality apply to people, more specifically, persons. A company is not a person, nor is it a group of people (for these purposes, we're not using the word that way, like a military unit, or a social gathering), it is an abstract construct, an institution created to conduct business.
Lets say you have your own company, and you are the only employee. Are you, then, your company (and your company is you)? I don't think so, you are separate from your company, as it doesn't make sense that I can shake your hand, and then I am shaking the hand of your company, too. A company doesn't have a hand to shake.
Is it ethically immoral to strip mine? Do ethics apply to a mountain the way they apply to a person? I don't think so, as crazy as I am about mountains, all the mountains in the world are not the equivilent value that a single person is (even a very poor excuse for a person).
As I said, I have abandoned my previous moral constructs, which were based on who or what the acts were done to, to the evaluation of the acts themselves. It is what you do that is important, not who or what you do it to.
And lets not forget that although laws are supposedly based in morality, if you break the law it doesn't necessarily mean that you are acting unethically, as the laws themselves sometimes have shown themselves to be propped by unethical attitudes.
Carrying this hijacked thread over to Remember Outdoors...please continue there