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Here are a final photo of my main ][+.

The main system was basically NOS, as it was stored almost unused as an extra system saince 1983 (made in 1982). The Monitor ///+ and its stand match very well, and the Disk ][s have the CP/M Drive A label on s6d1, thanks to macnoyd for finding a drive with that label. (I still need the Softcard Drive A, B C, and D label sheet. If anyone has one, please LMK mas I want to inexpensively reproduce those labels.

 

System Config:ROM X System, with the first rev ROM X plus text ROM.

 

Slots:0: Language card wirh mod for ROM X

1: Super Serial Card

2: Apple Parallel Card

3: Clone of AE Viewmaster (Videx)

4: Microsoft Softcard

5: Apple 1MB RAM card

6: Disk ][ card

7: Unoccupied

Game IO: Metal cased ~1979 joystick (NOS)

Cassette: Panasonic

NOS Keyboard, very clean Monitror ///,+ (light grey highlights, but need a diffuser cleanup). Boots CP/M perfectly. 

 

Basdically a super-stock ][+, 64K system. I was going to use my Hyperion card in it, but it crashed 50% of gthe time, lkoading ProDOS 2.4.2..

 

 

 

 

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How exactly was it NOS if it

How exactly was it NOS if it was unpacked and used? It would have to be still in the box with ALL packing materials, and literature to be classified as NOS. Do you mean Barely used?

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I'm curious how many miles

I'm curious how many miles/KMs are on this nearly NOS Apple II+, does it have complete service records and does it have a clean "AppleFax"?

 

LOL...

Sorry couldn't resist...

 

Cheers,

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When I expand the photo ...

When I expand the photo, it looks like this NOS unit could use a good cleaning.

What does it look like on the inside?

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It sat for years, since the

It sat for years, since the company bought it, basically unused. Nearly NOS doens#t mean sealed in facctory packaging. Heck, NOS doesn't even mean or imply that. I buy and sell NOS auto parts on a regular basis, and the packaging rarely ever survives. Usually, factory cardboard boxing acquires moisture, mould, and is discarded, with the contents repacked to prevent contamination of the contents. I do have a Maqrx trainset in its original box, but it isn't NOS. Packaging doesn't define how little something was used. 

 

On that note, it's sparkling clean inside. Not a trace of dust or contamination, and no notable oxidation on anything. I gently wiped off some of the surface of the case, but I wasn't too thourough as everything in here gets dusty fast anyway.

 

I need to disassemble the Monitor /// and wash the glare screen, as there os a wad of dust trapped in it from storage. I can give you side by side between a nearly virgin one and one that isn't, as all of our other company systems were pretty heavily suntanned from those awful flourescent lamps that we had. The stuff that sat in boxes for 30 years, did not. 

 

My main qualification is whether it works solidly, but it is the most 'pretty' system here in terms of looking like it was mean to look because it was a spare/emergency replacement machine that no-one ever had to use beyond an initial burn in test.

 

The Franklin 1200 was absolutely NOS, in what was left of its box, with the franklin drive protector cards never removed; but it also stopped functioning properly after a week or so of use. First the onboard disk controller died, then the KB slowly stopped working, all without ever modifying it in any way. As they are about the same age, and were stored in exactly the same conditions, it's interesting to see that the ][+ stood the test of time, but the Franklin, did not. 

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Wiped the soot off. 

Wiped the soot off.

 

 

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When were the beige (as

When were the beige (as opposed to brown) Monitor IIIs made? I've never seen one in person.

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Tom Owad wrote:When were the
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When were the beige (as opposed to brown) Monitor IIIs made? I've never seen one in person.

 yeah Good eye, just noticed that too. Did you repaint? I have never seen a beige one. It looks great though.

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Tom Owad wrote:When were the
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When were the beige (as opposed to brown) Monitor IIIs made? I've never seen one in person.

 

That is the Monitor ///+ (technically still named Monitor ///, just to be confusing). 

 

When the ///+ was released, Apple changed the frame colour to match its updated design language.

 

There was also a black bezel version. (I'm less certain as to why that one exists.)  Most Monitor ///s have the brown bezel. The grey-beige bezel is rather uncommon, and the black ones are more scarce.  The rear cabinet is the same chestnut brown for all three bezel colours. Perhaps the black bezel was made to match the design language of the Disk ][ for use with a ][ or ][+. 

 

I can check if the p/n differs if anyone cares. 

 

There are no operational differences between the models.

 

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Thats incredible. So these

Thats incredible. So these must have been the last run of the monitor III since it was apples first monitor started in 1980; so these must have been 1984 with the III plus computer's release? I have worked on a ton of monitor III's never seen a color variant. The only thing I have seen is a black and White CRT variant "A3M0006" which is a favorite monitor in my collection. Honestly the B&W CRT and thr Black bezel would probably look nice, although the beige is classy too.

 

Does it still use the cloth antiglare mesh? The black variant looks to have no mesh.  And does your beige monitor still have the monitor III slow phosphor or is it a more standard fast phosphor. Yes please let us know the model number.

 

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Timelord wrote:I can check if
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I can check if the p/n differs if anyone cares.

 

Yes, please :-)  Wiki tells something about the A3M0039 and A3M0006, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Monitor_III

 

 

I've got an A3M0039 from USA (120V) and an European model A3M0024 (230V). Both were "made by Hitachi in Japan for Apple".

 

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Anyone else notice when

Anyone else notice when cleaning or restoring the monitor III the painted front bezel seems to come off with any cleaner solution (other than just pain water) its the worst paint on any apple product.

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I've used huggies baby wipes

I've used huggies baby wipes and no issues...

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Verault wrote:Anyone else
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Anyone else notice when cleaning or restoring the monitor III the painted front bezel seems to come off with any cleaner solution (other than just pain water) its the worst paint on any apple product.

No, I have never encountered this. On how many displays have you seen this issue, and what were you using as a cleaner? I use IPA 99.9%, without it dissolving the colour. I thought that the bezels were a solid moulded plastic with dye throughout, not surface dyed. 

 

If you need to recolour them, I advise using SEM Plastikote. You can have it spot mixed to a specific colour, and use a spray bottle with a paint canister to apply it. Once applied, it is absurdly difficult to remove. I have resurfaced a lot of platic with it, and one time, I accidentally oversprayed a black console with tiny droplets of white SEM>

 

I could not remove it--at all--so I used black SEM to cover it up, and then the unit looked like it was NOS. It is an incredible product, and I use it both for automotive plastics (its intended application) and for vintage technology and hard plastic toys. 

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On how many? On all of them.

On how many? On all of them. Try using windex on the front painted bezel if you want to remove dirt. And I mean real dirt as if you just bought it and its been sitting in a garage for 3o years.

 

Baby wipes is fine when its clean and yours, but what about cleaning a gross one you just picked up?

 

The paint comes off easy.  I have to be super careful not to get retrobrite fluid on the paint as it severely discolors it, again this is inherent only to Monitor III's.

 

99% Isopropyl Alcohol on the front painted bezel! Its my goto cleaning solution but it literally just takes THIS particular paint right off!

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I noticed one of these

I noticed one of these Monitor ///+ displays appear for sale. 

 

This post is not an endorsement of the seller, or for eBay, but should one of you want a grey faced Monitor ///, it's up there, and he has a photo of the back of the unit with the p/n and date. 

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I'm surprised to see they

I'm surprised to see they didn't change the color of the back panel.

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Tom Owad wrote:I'm surprised
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I'm surprised to see they didn't change the color of the back panel.

It was just the bezel, and, oh look, another one, in nicer shape, with more photos. 

 

It's funny how you go from never having seen one, to seeing three all at once. :D

 

I'm sort of tempted to buy this one, but I have enough Monitor ///s and not enough stands for them. 

 

Manufacturing on those two is Sept 83 and Oct 83. I will check mine, when I get a chance to move it from its nest. I suspect it is around the same time, possibly later. As you can see from the mfg dates, they were made at the same time as the ///+, to match the revised keycap colour, and were released for sale in Dec 83. It'd be interesting to see if mine has an earlier date, but I doubt it. It was a spare that we had in storage for decades, was almost never used, hence the lack of suntanning. 

 

Most of the Monitor ///s that I have are a mixture of suntanned and rather dirty from bench use. The nice thing is that they just last and last, unlike a number of other monitors that come to mind. Cough, cough, 1702. 

 

I personally think that the keyboard of the original // and the dark bezel look best. I do however like the grey bezel on my ][+. 

 

I may keep an eye out for a black bezel display, but I could always make one. SEM matte black would do it easily. The only tricky bits are the logo plates, and I would need to carefully fine brush the SEM onto those. I might do that, and paint the case on the one with the most engrained filth charcoal to match a B&H some day. 

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Timelord wrote:Tom Owad wrote
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I'm surprised to see they didn't change the color of the back panel.

It was just the bezel, and, oh look, another one, in nicer shape, with more photos. 

 

 I use a Zenith as my daily driver. I actually got a second one this year. Its so compact and cute I dont want to sell either!

 

Timelord, the antiglare screen is missing so someone has probably been in that monitor. something to keep in mind.

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Does the color depend on the date?

These Apple III monitors from Ebay are both grey, US models and have part number A3M0039 built in September/October 1983. My A3M0039 is also a 120V model from USA but with brown face and built  late 1982. My european model (230V) with part number A3M0024 has a beige face but no date. I assume from 1984.

Does the color depend on the date?

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RalfK wrote:These Apple III
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These Apple III monitors from Ebay are both grey, US models and have part number A3M0039 built in September/October 1983. My A3M0039 is also a 120V model from USA but with brown face and built  late 1982. My european model (230V) with part number A3M0024 has a beige face but no date. I assume from 1984.

Does the color depend on the date?

The bezel colour is entirely based on the date. Brown came first, then grey, then black, as far as I remember. I am unsure of the dates for black bezel units. I suppose they were probably mid to late 1984. 

 

Also, with regard to the glare screen, I am pretty sure that any units without that, simply suffered the owner or a repair shoppe removing it. I doubt that Apple stopped including it, as it was considered a feature of the display. Some people removed them when they were damaged and did not replace them, and they are not glued down to the screen. You can remove the glare mesh assembly and reassemble the monitor without it, but it loses its distinctive satin aesthetic in the process. 

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Verault wrote:Timelord wrote
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Timelord wrote:
Tom Owad wrote:

I'm surprised to see they didn't change the color of the back panel.

It was just the bezel, and, oh look, another one, in nicer sha

ZMV-122/123?

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