"Refurbished" Apple II badges

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"Refurbished" Apple II badges

Has anybody seen one of these "refurbished" badges from MacEffects in person?

What is included in the refurbishment process: An old damaged original badge is melted down (1:1), then stamped into a steel mold, then it is rolled/polished, then it is brushed (where applicable), then dye colorant is added, and lastly 3m adhesive is applied and cut. What you are left with is a badge that is equivalent to a brand new badge.

Seems like a rather extreme way to refurbish something. I wonder if there's anything beyond marketing behind the decision to use original badges.

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I saw that ... Was even

I saw that ... Was even tempted to buy one, but the description was perplexing in that he uses the old badge to make a new badge. (?)

Why wouldn't he use a newer badge and simply re-coat the logo and colors to it  - basically eliminating the green  "Plus" from the design ?

Doesn't sound quite right to me.  That, or he's smply making replicates and wants folks to view them as "original".

Still, the badge would be nice to have if it's a close enough replication.  50 bucks for it narrows the market though IMHO.

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I'm not buying it...

I don't believe their story of "melting" an original part to make a 1:1 "refurbished" badge. Why would someone in India go through all this effort when the final result is indistinguishable from a freshly produced, cheap plastic imitation anyway? And I doubt it would techincally even work this way. It's just a story to justify the price of $99 for a small piece of plastic...

It's logical though that someone in India came up with this idea: when you believe in "reincarnation", you may well believe that these cheap new badges were actually original badges in their former life... It's just a matter of believing.

Anyway, I'm not buying it... ;-)

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Well the seller is in Indiana

Well the seller is in Indiana, not India...but neverless, it's not disclosed where these are being "refurbished" nor by whom. And I agree, it's all a bit bizarre -- just make new badges and sell them as replicas. Reusing the original material isn't going to give them plausible deniability if Apple comes calling about trademark concerns.

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I find this all a bit strange

I find this all a bit strange myself. MacEffects who is selling these is the same person who is currently doing the kickstarter for the Injection Molded Clear Case for Apple IIe and IIgs Part of the kickstarter is that the case comes with a badge which I assume are the same as the ones he is selling on ebay. If these refurbished badges actually use a melted down original badge I can't see how he will source enough to do this. The other question would be why you would need to use an original badge, especially for the Apple II ones which are totally painted so none of the original aluminium? plate is visible.

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I got some of his badges.

I got some of his badges. They are very nice, better quality that the Russian made ones that sold on eBay for a while for $100 each. I don’t believe however, that they are made from original recycled badges but it makes no difference since they are identical to the originals. He also makes badges for II pluses and Bell &Howell “darth vaders”

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Well the seller is in Indiana, not India...

Oh, right, oops! :-) I was too quick. Anyway, "reincarnations" are just as unlikely to happen in Indiana as they are in India. Maybe even less likely... ;-)

May well be true that the guy is making good quality badges. But I don't like the way he is marketing them as "refurbished".

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Dr. Webster wrote:Reusing the
Dr. Webster wrote:

Reusing the original material isn't going to give them plausible deniability if Apple comes calling about trademark concerns.

Perhaps it isn't an Apple lawsuit, but eBay removing the listings, that they're afraid of.

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Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!

But, maybe a new computer...

Apple II Plus, Rev 7 RFI Motherboard (reactivemicro.com)

Universal PSU Kit (wiki.reactivemicro.com)

Unified ASCII Keyboard (github.com)

Injection Molded Clear Case - The Apple II & II Plus Case Stretch Goal (kickstarter.com)

and, genuine fake badges! (wikipedia.org)

 :)

 

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Tom Owad wrote:Dr. Webster
Tom Owad wrote:
Dr. Webster wrote:

Reusing the original material isn't going to give them plausible deniability if Apple comes calling about trademark concerns.

Perhaps it isn't an Apple lawsuit, but eBay removing the listings, that they're afraid of.

 

Highly likey.  eBay will often pull an ad or even ban someone for selling counterfeit products, which is what this is.

 

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They are brand new. Word

They are brand new. Word Refurbished eliminates copyright...

 

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He's not being honest.

Melting down aluminum is not an easy thing to do.  It has to be done in a oxygen-free environment if it's done in small baches as it oxidize quickly.  Even if he was melting down thousands of badges at a time, he'd need an oxygen free environment to achieve his claimed 1:1 ratio.  It is all heaps of BS.  And the price is a rip-off.  Maybe I'll buy one of each and send them off to a friend of mine in China and get them replicated for pennies.

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drakepirate wrote:They are
drakepirate wrote:

They are brand new. Word Refurbished eliminates copyright...

 Not at all legally, those badges are still a clear violation of Copyright and Trademark laws.  But it may allow him to skirt the eBay rules.  He's small time enough that it is unlikely Apple will notice or consider it worth worrying about.

 

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BillO wrote:Melting down
BillO wrote:

Melting down aluminum is not an easy thing to do.  It has to be done in a oxygen-free environment if it's done in small baches as it oxidize quickly.  Even if he was melting down thousands of badges at a time, he'd need an oxygen free environment to achieve his claimed 1:1 ratio.  It is all heaps of BS.  And the price is a rip-off.  Maybe I'll buy one of each and send them off to a friend of mine in China and get them replicated for pennies.

 

He's probably having them made in China.  But if you are going to get copies made I'd want to send originals to avoid loss of fidelity copying a copy.  But yeah, if you are making more than a few, it is hard to beat having them made over there.  The place where it might be an issue is in getting them imported.  You might have trouble with Customs since they are clearly in violation of Copyright and Trademark laws.  Even back in the 1980s they started cracking down on counterfeit product like this.

 You are absolutely correct about melting aluminum though, it oxidizes very quickly.  Even when you are melting a fair quantity at a time it is a challenge to keep ahead of that.

 

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